Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 124

01/27/2005 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS


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08:04:06 AM Start
08:04:33 AM Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development
09:15:43 AM Department of Transportation & Public Facilities, Alaska Marine Highway System
09:51:25 AM Adjourn
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Overview: Dept. of Transportation,
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
    HOUSE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                   
                        January 27, 2005                                                                                        
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kurt Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Representative Bill Thomas, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Pete Kott                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
OVERVIEWS: ALASKA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, COMMUNITY, and                                                                        
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT; DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, ALASKA                                                                      
MARINE HIGHWAY                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
EDGAR BLATCHFORD, Commissioner                                                                                                  
Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development                                                                     
(DCCED)                                                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an overview of DCCED.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
GREG WINEGAR, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Investments                                                                                                         
Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions regarding DCCED's loan                                                                   
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JOELLEN HANRAHAN, Director                                                                                                      
Division of Administration Services                                                                                             
Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION   STATEMENT:   Answered  questions   regarding   DCCED's                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MIKE BLACK, Community Development Section Chief                                                                                 
Division Of Community Advocacy                                                                                                  
Alaska Department of Commerce, Community, and Development                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT: Answered  questions  regarding DCCED's  land                                                               
transfer programs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TOM BRIGGS, Deputy Commissioner/Director of Marine Operations                                                                   
Alaska Marine Highway System (AMHS)                                                                                             
Department of Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT&PF)                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented an overview of the AMHS.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JOHN TORGERSON                                                                                                                  
Special Assistant                                                                                                               
Department Of Transportation & Public Facilities                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Reported on  the  status  of current  labor                                                               
negotiations regarding the Alaska Marine Highway System.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  KURT  OLSON called  the  House  Community and  Regional                                                             
Affairs  Standing  Committee  meeting  to order  at  8:04:06  AM.                                                             
Representatives Neuman,  Salmon, Olson,  and Thomas  were present                                                               
at the call to order.   Representatives Cissna and LeDoux arrived                                                               
as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:04:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, COMMUNITY, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
EDGAR   BLATCHFORD,   Commissioner,   Department   of   Commerce,                                                               
Community, and  Economic Development (DCCED), defined  DCCED as a                                                               
"regulatory and advocacy"  agency.  He described  its history and                                                               
said that  DCCED is now  large in terms of  its responsibilities,                                                               
but  small  in   terms  of  its  allocation   of  general  funds.                                                               
Commissioner Blatchford added that  DCCED's mission is to promote                                                               
healthy economies in communities,  protect consumers, and promote                                                               
a stable  business climate.   The  department also  assists local                                                               
governments with  self-governance and  promotes the  expansion of                                                               
new and existing businesses.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BLATCHFORD  listed the  six divisions of  DCCED, and                                                               
noted that  there are  six agencies  that are  closely affiliated                                                               
with the  department, which include the  Alaska Seafood Marketing                                                               
Institute,  the  Alaska  Aerospace Development  Corporation,  the                                                               
Alaska Industrial  Development and  Export Authority,  the Alaska                                                               
Energy  Authority,  the  Alaska  Railroad  Corporation,  and  the                                                               
Regulatory Commission  of Alaska.  Commissioner  Blatchford added                                                               
that, by  law, he serves  on a "good  number of other  boards and                                                               
commissions."   The department employs 493  employees, located in                                                               
Anchorage,  Bethel,  Dillingham,   Fairbanks,  Juneau,  Kotzebue,                                                               
Nome, and Tok.  There is  also a Seattle office maintained by the                                                               
Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute.   He said last year the total                                                               
budget was  $125.4 million, of  which $7.8 million came  from the                                                               
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD stated  that the  Division of  Community                                                               
Advocacy  is  the  "heart  and  soul" of  the  department.    The                                                               
division promotes  healthy economies  by providing  technical and                                                               
financial  assistance,  training,  and "other  capacity  building                                                               
resources."   For example, the  division helped  communities with                                                               
the  "bulk  fuel  issue;"  provided  on-site  utility  management                                                               
assistance  to  102  communities;  partnered  with  the  National                                                               
Marine  Fisheries  Service  to  provide  assistance  with  a  new                                                               
fisheries  program called  Community Quotas  Entity; administered                                                               
over $65 million in federal  funds to rural communities; provided                                                               
a web-based  assistance program for local  governments; continued                                                               
to provide  extensive support to local  boundary commissions; and                                                               
assisted Delta  in mitigating  the impacts  of the  deployment of                                                               
the missile defense system at Fort Greely.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD reported  that  the  department plays  a                                                               
"technical role" in  the Denali Commission, the  purpose of which                                                               
he described as "the delivery  of federal services of the federal                                                               
government  in the  most cost-effective  manner [practicable]  by                                                               
reducing the administrative overhead costs."   He said the Denali                                                               
Commission  also  provides  "job   training  and  other  economic                                                               
development   services   in   rural   communities,   particularly                                                               
distressed communities." The  Denali Commission provides economic                                                               
development  services  such  as  power  generation,  transmission                                                               
facilities,  water  and  sewer   systems,  and  "addresses  other                                                               
infrastructure needs."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BLATCHFORD related that  the Division of Investments                                                               
plays a key role in fisheries  issues by providing loans in areas                                                               
"not  adequately served"  by the  private sector.   In  fact, the                                                               
division  approved 133  loans totaling  $15.2 million,  including                                                               
loans  for promoting  resident fisheries,  fisheries enhancement,                                                               
and  rural  develop  initiatives.   He  expressed  pride  in  the                                                               
volunteer  tax  and loan  program  effort,  which assisted  5,800                                                               
people  in  preparing tax  returns.    He  opined that  the  most                                                               
successful  federal/state program  is  the Community  Development                                                               
Quota  System  (CDQ),  which  assists  with  the  development  of                                                               
sustainable fisheries  economies.  He  said the CDQ  has provided                                                               
over  $100   million  in  employment,  education,   and  training                                                               
benefits since the program was created in 1992.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:18:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD spoke  of  the Fisheries  Revitalization                                                               
Program,  a  multi-tiered  program  to  increase  innovation  and                                                               
productivity within  the salmon industry.   He said  the Division                                                               
of  Banking,  Securities  and   Corporations  regulates  the  new                                                               
payday-lending program.   He reported that  the Alaska Industrial                                                               
Development and  Export Authority  (AIDEA) funded $78  million in                                                               
loans and sold its interest  in the Seward coal loading facility.                                                               
He said AIDEA also negotiated  an operating agreement with Alaska                                                               
Ship and  Dry Dock  for the Ketchikan  shipyard, and  it accepted                                                               
offers  for   the  sale  of  the   Alaska  Seafood  International                                                               
property.   He pointed  out that AIDEA  issued revenue  bonds for                                                               
the Fairbanks Memorial Hospital.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:23:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD  highlighted  some of  the  department's                                                               
initiatives  for  the  upcoming  two  years,  including  creating                                                               
seafood processing  and harvesting  opportunities in the  Gulf of                                                               
Alaska and Southeast communities;  continuing to administer about                                                               
150 existing grants; promoting tourism  in new areas; and working                                                               
with  communities  on  competitive  grants  through  the  federal                                                               
Economic   Development   Administration  to   assist   distressed                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:28:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD  related  that the  department  is  also                                                               
working  on  a  web-based  international  marketing  program  for                                                               
selling  local arts  and  crafts,  he noted.    He described  the                                                               
Alaska Regional  Development Organization (ARDOR), some  of which                                                               
are created where there is  no regional government.  He explained                                                               
that ARDORs support economic  development opportunities for local                                                               
people.   He mentioned  that the department  continues to  play a                                                               
key role as an advocate of mining.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:30:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR OLSON asked  if DCCED had a  representative in Anchorage                                                               
at the Board of Fisheries meetings.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD answered  that  someone  was there;  the                                                               
department "pays very close attention  to the activities" of both                                                               
the Board of Fisheries and the Board of Game.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN inquired  as  to how  closely DCCED  works                                                               
with  job-related   groups  like   the  Division   of  Vocational                                                               
Rehabilitation,  local small-business  development organizations,                                                               
and community centers.  He  expressed concern that there might be                                                               
duplication of these activities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BLATCHFORD  explained that the governor  has divided                                                               
the cabinet  into sub-cabinets of which  DCCED is part of  a sub-                                                               
cabinet  with the  Department of  Labor &  Workforce Development.                                                               
He added that the major  initiative of the current administration                                                               
is to avoid duplication of effort or services.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  related that  he has  worked with  some of                                                               
the  small-business and  job-training  groups,  which he  thought                                                               
were very  beneficial.   He expressed his  hope that  DCCED would                                                               
help  with   programs  that  "provide  opportunities   for  small                                                               
businesses."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  noted her  interest in how  health relates                                                               
to the economies  of small communities, where seniors  are key to                                                               
the  inner workings  of these  small communities.   In  fact, she                                                               
related  that  the  "welfare  to   work  program"  was  extremely                                                               
successful, partly because of the role of seniors.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:35:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BLATCHFORD  said that  DCCED pays attention  to what                                                               
is  happening and  what is  successful in  local communities.   A                                                               
primary goal  of the  department, he  related, is  to "re-instill                                                               
the entrepreneurial  spirit."   Elders have a  close tie  to that                                                               
spirit, he said, and DCCED's  major objective is to engage senior                                                               
entrepreneurs.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN asked about the  default level of the loans                                                               
to which Commissioner Blatchford referred earlier.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:37:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG WINEGAR,  Director, Division  of Investments,  Department of                                                               
Commerce, Community and Economic  Development, responded that the                                                               
total  delinquency  rate  is  14  percent.    There  are  several                                                               
programs to deal  with delinquency, such as  the "soft collection                                                               
program,"  the  loan extension  program,  and  foreclosure.   The                                                               
department  does  everything it  can  to  seek solutions  [before                                                               
foreclosure], he stated.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN asked if DCCED  works with the program that                                                               
utilizes retired  people to help  with developing  small business                                                               
plans for others.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. WINEGAR  replied that  the department  did not  work directly                                                               
with that program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:38:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SALMON recalled that  the Denali Commission was to                                                               
improve  the  bulk  fuel  facilities for  the  Yukon  Flats  area                                                               
several years  ago, but  he has  not seen  any improvements.   He                                                               
asked how closely  DCCED works with the Denali  Commission on the                                                               
bulk fuel facilities for Alaska villages.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BLATCHFORD  responded that DCCED has  a staff person                                                               
in the offices  of the Denali Commission, so it  works as closely                                                               
as possible.   However, he  acknowledged that more work  needs to                                                               
be done because it is a large challenge.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:41:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD, in  response to  Co-Chair Thomas,  said                                                               
that DCCED  is funded  by business  receipts, federal  funds, and                                                               
licensing fees.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:41:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOELLEN HANRAHAN, Director,  Division of Administration Services,                                                               
Department  of  Commerce,  Community, and  Economic  Development,                                                               
listed the percentages of funding sources for the department.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS asked  who was  in charge  of transferring  land                                                               
during the Local Boundary Commission process.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD  noted  that   there  are  several  land                                                               
programs in  the state government,  and most of the  programs are                                                               
in the  Department of  Natural Resources (DNR).   He  pointed out                                                               
that DCCED  has a  responsibility with  14(c)(3) lands  under the                                                               
Alaska  Native Claims  Settlement Act.   Commissioner  Blatchford                                                               
noted  that DCCED  manages the  part of  the Statehood  Act which                                                               
requires that  lands be transferred  from the  federal government                                                               
to the state.  He acknowledged there is a backlog.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:44:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  BLACK, Community  Development  Section  Chief, Division  of                                                               
Community Advocacy, Alaska Department  of Commerce, Community and                                                               
Economic   Development,  suggested   that  Co-Chair   Thomas  was                                                               
referring  to  the  land   entitlements  for  newly  incorporated                                                               
municipalities, which is the responsibility of DNR.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS said  there appears to be a  disincentive to form                                                               
a new  borough if no land  is transferred, and he  inquired as to                                                               
whom, in DNR, the legislature needs to talk with regarding this.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:46:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BLACK said he assumes it is the Division of Lands.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD added  that community  sustainability in                                                               
rural  Alaska hinges  on  the  amount of  private  land that  can                                                               
provide a tax base or natural resource development income.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:47:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS said  he supports  programs  that "bring  people                                                               
back  to the  villages," and  he is  excited about  the Community                                                               
Development Quota (CDQ) program.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:49:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  asked Commissioner Blatchford if  there is                                                               
anything that the legislature could provide.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BLATCHFORD responded  that he is a  firm believer in                                                               
local control and  local people having the  "opportunity to seize                                                               
the local resources,  the opportunities."  He  mentioned CDQs and                                                               
expressed his philosophy  that local control results  in the best                                                               
outcomes.  The state's role is  to "look over their shoulders and                                                               
... discourage the  outward migration of capital  and the outward                                                               
migration of employment opportunities."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:52:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  announced that he  and Co-Chair Olson  have bill                                                               
language  to reauthorize  the  ARDORs and  to  request funds  for                                                               
"additional things."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER BLATCHFORD offered assistance from the department.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA asked  about prioritizing  the desires  of                                                               
the communities.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD  said  the  department  looks  to  local                                                               
initiative to take  the lead, and then DCCED will  work with [the                                                               
local entity].   The locals  have to own  the idea, he  said, but                                                               
DCCED needs to help re-establish entrepreneurial spirit.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  asked  about developing  facilities  that                                                               
change the nature of how communities work.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  BLATCHFORD responded  that  the  CDQ program  helps                                                               
communities define  their own needs,  and then DCCED can  step in                                                               
to assist.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:50 a.m. to 9:02.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:02:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION &  PUBLIC FACILITIES, ALASKA MARINE                                                             
HIGHWAY SYSTEM                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TOM  BRIGGS, Deputy  Commissioner/Director of  Marine Operations,                                                               
Department  of Transportation  & Public  Facilities, stated  that                                                               
the Alaska  Marine Highway System  (AMHS) consists of  10 vessels                                                               
with an  additional vessel coming  in late  spring.  The  AMHS is                                                               
the only marine highway in the  United States adopted as a scenic                                                               
byway,  which helps  attract  tourists.   He  stated that  AMHS's                                                               
primary directive  under Title 19  is to provide  basic essential                                                               
service  to the  coastal communities  of Alaska,  and to  provide                                                               
economic  stimulus  to those  communities.    The system  has  33                                                               
terminals from  Bellingham, Washington  to Dutch  Harbor, Alaska,                                                               
and about  half of  the docks  are owned by  the state  while the                                                               
other  [half]  are  owned  by   communities.    He  informed  the                                                               
committee that AMHS carries about  300,000 passengers and 100,000                                                               
vehicles each  year, and  generates about  half of  its operating                                                               
budget.   Mr.  Briggs stated  that AMHS  is an  extension of  the                                                               
interstate   highway  system,   providing   access  to   isolated                                                               
communities.  Although the system  is criticized for being frugal                                                               
and cutting  back service in  the wintertime, service  is reduced                                                               
in  winter  because  ridership  decreases  and  the  vessels  are                                                               
required to be  dry docked and overhauled for  safety reasons, he                                                               
said.  He  pointed out that although AMHS has  an aging fleet, it                                                               
has just added the Fairweather and the Lituya.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:15:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRIGGS related that the biggest  issue of AMHS is fuel costs.                                                               
He stressed that AMHS is a road  system and it's the only link to                                                               
many communities.   Therefore, he can't see  reducing the budget,                                                               
which  [has led]  AMHS to  do more  aggressive marketing  that it                                                               
will ask the  legislature to support.  Mr.  Briggs estimated that                                                               
the amount  invested in marketing  can bring in double  the money                                                               
in revenues.   He said most corporations spend 5  to 8 percent of                                                               
their  operating budget  for marketing,  and AMHS  does not  have                                                               
"any where  near that,"  and the  state needs to  do better.   He                                                               
mentioned some challenges  AMHS has faced and  continues to face,                                                               
including  fuel [costs];  labor costs;  labor issues,  which have                                                               
tied up the Fairweather; and the grounding of the LeConte.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRIGGS  expressed concerned about  what Alaskans have  to pay                                                               
to  ride  the ferries,  although  increases  have been  necessary                                                               
because of the unpredictable price of  fuel.  A recent rate study                                                               
has  shown that  AMHS  is a  bargain, so  rates  are unlikely  to                                                               
decrease, he  said.  Mr.  Briggs noted  labor contracts as  a key                                                               
issue.   He further noted  that the system is  reviewing overtime                                                               
costs, and  it may  add employees to  reduce overtime.   Although                                                               
AMHS  has  more  staff  than  required by  the  Coast  Guard,  he                                                               
expressed  his belief  that AMHS  is not  overstaffed because  it                                                               
provides food  and lodging  services on board.   He  commented on                                                               
the challenge of adding vessels without additional funds.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:35:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN TORGERSON,  Special Assistant, Department  of Transportation                                                               
&  Public Facilities,  discussed the  three maritime  unions with                                                               
which  AMHS works.   He  said there  are master  and supplemental                                                               
agreements;  the  latter  are  being negotiated.    He  told  the                                                               
committee  that  recent  bargaining  was declared  to  be  at  an                                                               
impasse.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  said she  spent three  weeks on  the ferry                                                               
system  this summer  and  would recommend  the  experience.   She                                                               
inquired as  to the  level of  foot traffic  on the  Chenega last                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRIGGS estimated that there were 140 passengers.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:44:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  said he was  familiar with the need  for ferries                                                               
in   Southeast  and   has  received   complaints  regarding   the                                                               
negotiations delaying service.  He asked  if there is there a way                                                               
to avoid being sued for providing emergency services.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. TORGERSON offered to research that issue.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:48:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN expressed  his support  of AMHS  and asked                                                               
what the  impacts on the system  will be if the  proposed road to                                                               
Juneau is built.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRIGGS responded that a  road between Skagway and Juneau will                                                               
oblige the  ferries to  turn around  at Juneau,  so they  will no                                                               
longer go up Lynn Canal.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN asked  if Mr. Briggs thinks  this road will                                                               
have a positive effect on AMHS.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRIGGS  voiced his support  for such a  road, but said  it is                                                               
difficult to  measure its  impact on  AMHS.   He surmised  that a                                                               
decrease in  ridership will  be negligible  because AMHS  will be                                                               
increasing marketing and increasing ridership in the Southwest.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Community  and Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee meeting  was                                                               
adjourned at 9:51:25 AM.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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